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	<title>Comments on: Kneber for sale or rent (rooms to let 50 cents)*</title>
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		<title>By: Kneber for sale or rent (rooms to let 50 cents)* &#124; Business Computing World</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kneber for sale or rent (rooms to let 50 cents)* &#124; Business Computing World</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 15:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Kneber disponível para venda ou aluguer no mercado negro &#124; WebSegura.Net</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kneber disponível para venda ou aluguer no mercado negro &#124; WebSegura.Net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 23:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] o artigo da TrendMicro, milhares desses computadores infectados são em redes corporativas. Ler [aqui]. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rik Ferguson</title>
		<link>http://countermeasures.trendmicro.eu/kneber-for-sale-or-rent-rooms-to-let-50-cents/comment-page-1/#comment-4144</link>
		<dc:creator>Rik Ferguson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 21:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tim,

Thanks for the comment, that&#039;s exactly the point I am making, it is relatively trivial for a criminal to test their malicious binaries until they are no longer detected, by any vendor, before release. In fact there are criminal services that do this on an automated basis. Obviously once infected most &quot;good&quot; malware will blackhole security vendor sites. That is why it is important that serious anti-malware products do not simply focus on the file content but look at other vectors as well such as download sources, email sources and phone home activity. Pattern-based detection offers baseline protection, at best.

This rolls over into a bigger discussion around testing methodologies for security products. If you take a big pool of sample files and run each product against them, this no longer (with advanced solutions like OfficeScan) gives you any idea at all about whether or not you would have been protected by that vendor. Would you have received the malicious email that contained the malicous link or file or would it have been blocked? If you had clicked the malicious link would you have been allowed to access the site or would it have been blocked? If you did get infected, would the bot have been able to phone home to process updates or send all the stolen data out? These are challenges that need be addressed in the exposure layer, NOT just in the infection layer.


Cheers,
Rik</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tim,</p>
<p>Thanks for the comment, that&#8217;s exactly the point I am making, it is relatively trivial for a criminal to test their malicious binaries until they are no longer detected, by any vendor, before release. In fact there are criminal services that do this on an automated basis. Obviously once infected most &#8220;good&#8221; malware will blackhole security vendor sites. That is why it is important that serious anti-malware products do not simply focus on the file content but look at other vectors as well such as download sources, email sources and phone home activity. Pattern-based detection offers baseline protection, at best.</p>
<p>This rolls over into a bigger discussion around testing methodologies for security products. If you take a big pool of sample files and run each product against them, this no longer (with advanced solutions like OfficeScan) gives you any idea at all about whether or not you would have been protected by that vendor. Would you have received the malicious email that contained the malicous link or file or would it have been blocked? If you had clicked the malicious link would you have been allowed to access the site or would it have been blocked? If you did get infected, would the bot have been able to phone home to process updates or send all the stolen data out? These are challenges that need be addressed in the exposure layer, NOT just in the infection layer.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Rik</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://countermeasures.trendmicro.eu/kneber-for-sale-or-rent-rooms-to-let-50-cents/comment-page-1/#comment-4143</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 19:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As part of routine analysis for this project, we submitted the malware to various sites for detection.  Trend Micro was not able to detect it.  This particular variant is detected by Trend Micro today, however many of the most popular AV vendors update sites were blackholed in the period between infection and signature availability.

http://www.networkforensics.com/2010/02/19/kneber-update/</description>
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<p><a href="http://www.networkforensics.com/2010/02/19/kneber-update/" rel="nofollow">http://www.networkforensics.com/2010/02/19/kneber-update/</a></p>
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